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How to Build A Spacecraft

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Spacecraft go through a lot - exploring dangerous worlds across the cold expanse of space. Not to mention the chaos of a launch! So how do we build a mission that can take on dangerous environments and the harrowing trip to reach them? Explore the world of mission-building with s

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01Most of the things we do here we're never going to get to see again.

02It's emotional to take something you spent years of your life on and put it on a rocket and probably never see it again.

03It ups the pressure on getting that sequence of events right.

04We've got one hour of descent time and one shot to do this.

05So we have to make sure that we're resilient to things like if our computer hangs up and has to get reset partway down.

06If we lose communications with the satellite.

07We've got all sorts of things that we need to make sure that we cover as contingencies.

08Because there's no going back and trying again.

09This is NASA's Curious Universe.

10Our universe is a wild and wonderful place.

11I'm your host, Patti Boyd.

12And in this podcast, NASA is your tour guide.

13Our home planet, Earth, is so hospitable for us, for living things, and for the structures and tools we create.

14But outside of Earth, that's not necessarily the case.

15When we plan missions to send science off the Earth, we have to prepare for inhospitable circumstances.

16Whether it's a deep space probe like the far-out Voyager spacecrafts, an experiment on the International Space Station, or a vehicle headed to another planet, we need to send the right tools to do the job.

17But how do we know what to make our spacecraft out of?

18And how do we decide where to start?

19Today, we're going to talk to a scientist and an engineer on one of NASA's newest projects, the Da Vinci Mission, to broaden our understanding of our planetary neighbor, Venus.

20How exactly do we design and build spacecraft to make these harrowing trips through dangerous and exciting environments?

21You know what is so great about mission work?

22If you love thinking about multiple things at a time, this is the job for you.

23That's Stephanie Getty, the deputy principal investigator for the Da Vinci Mission.

24Da Vinci will leave the Earth in 2029, headed for a hostile and mysterious mission.

25This will be groundbreaking science, but we here at Curious Universe have toured Venus and Da Vinci before, in an episode from Season 3.

26So the Venus we see now is a puzzle piece.

27In the 2020s, we have the glimmers of what might have been.

28An oceanic world that lost its oceans.

29Perhaps after billions of years of oceanic, beautiful, habitable world environments, something went awry.

30Something changed it to be the world of today.

31Those things and those questions are important because they tell us what can go wrong.

32In case you've forgotten some of the specifics, let's have a bit of a refresher.

33So, Da Vinci stands for Deep Atmosphere Venus Investigation of Noble Gases Chemistry and Imaging.

34It is a mission that is going to fly by the planet Venus on its way to getting into position to drop a spherical probe through the atmosphere and measure what the atmosphere is made of at regular points as the probe descends.

35The Da Vinci team has a big task ahead of them.

36Create something that will fly through space and land on the surface of another planet.

37All while sending information back here to Earth.

38Luckily, they're just going next door.

39Venus is our planetary neighbor, and there are a lot of ways in which Venus is similar to Earth.

40But just as many things that make it very, very different.

41Venus is about the same size as Earth.

42It's not that different in its orbit around the Sun.

43It's got clouds around it.

44It's got rocks on the surface.

45It's got solid landforms, a lot like Earth.

46But it's got vast differences, too.

47It's got major differences from Earth as well in that it's clearly had major volcanic activity on its surface, more so than Earth in recent history.

48Its clouds are not made of water vapor like on Earth.

49They're made of sulfuric acid.

50And the surface temperatures are not Earth-like at all.

51It's about twice the temperature your oven at home gets to.

52So it's about 900 degrees Fahrenheit at the surface of Venus.

53And the pressure is 90 times the pressure at the surface of the Earth.

54You can imagine going about a half a mile into the ocean, and that type of pressure is what you would feel in the carbon dioxide atmosphere at Venus.

55When you get ready in the morning, you probably think about what you might wear if it rains.

56What cup will keep your coffee warm?

57And maybe if you'll need headlights to drive.

58There are all kinds of environments, scenarios, and tasks NASA spacecraft have to take into account, too.

59Scientists keep all of these in mind when designing the spacecraft, in addition to the science goals of the mission itself.

60Not only do we have to design to survive what's known as the cruise stage, the part of the mission where the spacecraft is going through deep space, it's going from Earth to its destination.

61But we also have to think about what happens when we get there.

62So we'll launch on a rocket that will vibrate our spacecraft, and we need to make sure that our spacecraft survives that vibration.

63We need to make sure that our spacecraft survives the vacuum of space, the cold temperatures, the radiation from the sun.

64We will fly by Venus twice, that means orbiting the sun a couple of times.

65And then, on our third pass by Venus, we'll deploy our sphere, entering the atmosphere, having to withstand the friction of the high speeds with the atmosphere.

66Thinking about the variations in pressure that it'll experience from a very low pressure environment of space to the high pressure environment of the surface.

67That's a wide range of conditions that the entire mission needs to consider.

68As you might imagine, it takes a big team working together to make all the different parts suitable for all the different scenarios the spacecraft may encounter.

69The scientists study and plan the things they'd like a spacecraft to do.

70And then it's up to the engineers to come in and make it happen.

71Usually you want to get started with the science question.

72What's driving us?

73What do we need to learn?

74And then coming up with a system that can meet that.

75Hi everyone, I'm Matt Garrison.

76I'm a systems engineer at NASA Goddard.

77We help the scientists come up with what their mission needs to be, what we can design and build and operate to meet their science needs.

78And then we get to see it the whole way through.

79We get to come up with the design, we get to analyze it, we get to put it together and test it, take it to the launch site, and sometimes actually get to operate it once it's up in flight.

80You get this really wide experience of things and it means that stuff's always changing.

81You'll spend a bunch of time designing something.

82By the time you're tired of the design process, good, you need to go build it now.

83So where do we begin?

84One of the first things we need to consider when building a spacecraft is what it should be made of.

85The materials are really driven by what the thing has to do.

86Da Vinci has a bunch of really interesting material challenges because of the Venus environment.

87The atmosphere of Venus is a really nasty place.

88Let's get into some specifics.

89As Stephanie mentioned, Venus is not exactly a tourist destination.

90It has a hot, poisonous, high-pressure atmosphere with dense, noxious clouds.

91As if that weren't hard enough, Da Vinci will be entering that atmosphere unpiloted from space.

92A maneuver which is tricky enough here on Earth.

93When we hit the atmosphere, we're going to decelerate at about 40 Gs.

94I went and did some math on that and my laptop at 40 Gs weighs about 100 pounds.

9540 Gs means 40 times the power of Earth's gravity.

96That's a lot of force on your spacecraft.

97A human could survive eight Gs, but only for a few seconds.

98And it would be really uncomfortable.

99Imagine that times five.

100Once we descend a little bit further, we get into the clouds.

101And the clouds are about 80% concentration of sulfuric acid.

102Sulfuric acid is used to etch steel, but usually at the 10 to 20% range.

103So we're talking many times higher concentration acid than you used to do industrial etching.

104The atmosphere is also really thick.

105As you descend further in, the temperature and the pressure are increasing.

106By the time you get to the Venus surface, it's about 900 Fahrenheit, which is the temperature of a good wood-fired pizza oven.

107And the pressure is about 90 atmospheres, which is equivalent of about a kilometer deep in the ocean, which is about the average depth of the Arctic Ocean.

108So if you've got something that can operate inside your pizza oven at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean, that's the kind of environment you're looking for.

109Easy, right?

110We're making something to take in as much groundbreaking science as possible, on a planet over 38 million miles from Earth, that has to withstand the conditions of an underwater pizza oven.

111Luckily, we're building on a legacy of space travel.

112The US and Russia have each visited Venus before.

113August 26th.

114The Mariner 2 countdown begins.

115Events move on a strict timetable.

1165, 4, 3, 2, 1.

117But no new spacecraft have descended through Venus's atmosphere since 1985.

118Past voyages to Venus and other solar system bodies have taught us a lot about how to travel through space.

119Plus, we've got some pretty smart friends helping us out.

120We have other systems that we can kind of rely on as a starting point.

121Da Vinci's carrier spacecraft is coming from Lockheed Martin, and they've got a history of building spacecraft like this.

122We can kind of rely on some of their previous design to get a leg up on ours.

123We've got instruments on Da Vinci coming from NASA Goddard, from Johns Hopkins, from Malin Space Science Systems, and from the Jet Propulsion Lab.

124Then you're really building a team based on who has expertise and delivering the components you need to address those science goals.

125For all the new things we need to invent?

126Well, that takes brainstorming, problem solving, chemistry, math, and more.

127Before it was even submitted as a proposal, the Da Vinci team had to design and test some of the components to prove it could work.

128Early on when we're coming up with designs, usually you try to find the things that are new and risky.

129And you try to make something like that early on and run some tests on it.

130They call it verification and validation.

131Verification is did we build the thing right, and validation is did we build the right thing.

132And that's where we get into a whole lot of our really interesting test setups, where we're putting things in big thermal vac chambers, pumping them down to a vacuum, and running them through temperature cycles.

133Put it on a shaker table.

134We're putting them in a special electromagnetic facility where we can blast them with radio waves and make sure that we don't have noise on our signals.

135And for Da Vinci, we're actually building a custom facility to simulate that harsh Venus environment.

136We're getting a special facility that can go do over 90 atmospheres of pressure and really high temperatures in order to prove out that our mechanical and thermal design will actually work.

137So that when it all comes together, you've got a satellite or a mission that accomplishes your goals.

138So what are the materials that will take us to Venus?

139It turns out they aren't as wild or wacky as you might imagine.

140It's actually pretty standard stuff.

141The descent sphere is made out of mostly titanium.

142The spacecraft is kind of standard materials that Lockheed's used to working with.

143We have some composite, some aluminum.

144And even the window that we're looking through that has to be exposed to that environment.

145It's sapphire glass, lab-grown sapphire.

146It's really resilient, but it gets used pretty regularly.

147Getting all of this done can take a long time.

148So where exactly are we in the life cycle of the Da Vinci mission?

149The timeline of a mission is typically five or six years long.

150That gives you enough time to design the mission, to build some test articles, to evaluate how those test articles behave, and then refine your design so that you're ready to build the real thing that's going to go to Venus.

151We are on the early stages right now of that process.

152Our planned launch readiness date is in June of 2029.

153So right now we're in the stage where we're evaluating our design.

154We're looking at things that might go wrong, that might pose challenges to us as we design and build the mission.

155And we're studying the best way to tackle those challenges right now before we get into the phase where we start to really nail things down and define how exactly we're going to build the hardware.

156We often get to speak with people who are at the end of a mission, seeing their project that they've poured years into, finally leave the Earth and begin its scientific journey.

157This team is at the very beginning of this exciting mission.

158And part of planning from the beginning means figuring out how it will end.

159Da Vinci will take in incredible information as it passes by and descends into Venus's atmosphere.

160But even with all this careful planning, testing, and safeguarding, it still won't fully survive the harsh conditions of Venus.

161Da Vinci's descent probe will only last about an hour before it gets destroyed in Venus's high-pressure, toxic atmosphere.

162So the descent sphere will, at some point, stop working.

163Even if it survives the landing and even if the instruments are still operating, there will come a time when the temperature and the pressure will become too much.

164And we'll have to say goodbye and thanks for the service.

165The spacecraft part that carried the descent sphere to Venus will still be flying off in space.

166It is possible that that will have a life beyond the central mission, but right now what we are designing the mission for is to do the two science flybys.

167The probe drop off and then the spacecraft will also be done with its service.

168What I'm cautioning myself not to do is think too much about what the sphere is experiencing because it's going to be unpleasant.

169We're still early.

170We don't have the hardware yet that we can go up and hug, which we would not do because you need to keep it clean.

171I do think about us as a team on Earth sitting in a control room together, hopefully, or a science operations center, experiencing the culmination of all of this hard work.

172There's a small number of really exciting moments in a mission like this.

173One is when you get off the launch pad and you say goodbye to your mission with your own eyes and wish it could look.

174There will be a first flyby six months after launch.

175We'll all gather and we'll encourage everybody on Earth to gather with us to see these new images of Venus, the Venus clouds on the day side, and then the glowing infrared images on the night side.

176But the descent through the atmosphere, it's hard to describe.

177It's that gratification to see all of the hard work that the team has put in really culminating in this incredible moment.

17859 minutes.

179In the time that it takes to watch an episode of the Great British Baking Show, our little descent sphere that's the size of, you know, a large-ish beach ball will make revolutionary new measurements about our nearest neighbor, Venus, and allow the science community to answer these incredibly important and long-standing questions about Venus as our neighboring planet.

180That's very momentous.

181And then a little bittersweet, right?

182Because then we'll be thinking about the little descent sphere on the surface of Venus getting baked and crushed by the pressures.

183But, you know, it will have done an incredible job for us and for humanity.

184This remarkable machine, carefully designed, built, and tested by countless thoughtful scientists and engineers, will show us so much more about our neighbor planet than we've ever known before.

185At this stage, figuring out what we can do and how we can do it serves as the building blocks for future missions.

186The more we learn about how to safely explore hazardous environments now, the further out we can reach in the next generation of exploration.

187When we figure out the technology to open those doors and withstand harsh conditions, who knows what else we can find.

188This is NASA's Curious Universe.

189This episode was written and produced by Christina Dana.

190Our executive producer is Katie Conans.

191The Curious Universe team includes Maddie Arnold and Michaela Sosby, with support from Christian Elliott.

192Our theme song was composed by Matt Russo and Andrew Santaguida of System Sounds.

193Special thanks to Giada Arney, Jim Garvin, and Nancy Neal Jones.

194To learn more about all the exciting spacecraft heading out to explore our solar system, check out solarsystem.nasa.gov slash missions.

195Still curious about NASA?

196You can send us questions about this episode or a previous one, and we'll try to track down the answers.

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198Go to nasa.gov slash curiousuniverse for more information.

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202Da Vinci's descent probe will only last about an hour before it gets destroyed in Venus's high-pressure, toxic atmosphere.

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