To the Stars with Jessica Watkins

01Hi, Curious Universe listeners.

02We have a very exciting episode for you today to finish out Season 5 of NASA's Curious Universe.

03For our finale episode this season, we had the rare chance to sit down with a member of NASA's SpaceX Crew-4 mission, astronaut Jessica Watkins.

04As a refresher, the Crew-4 mission launched aboard a Falcon 9 rocket from NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida on April 27, 2022.

05Astronauts Chell Lindgren, Bob Hines, Jessica Watkins, and Samantha Christopher-Reddy spent 170 days aboard the International Space Station.

06While in space, the Crew orbited Earth more than 2,000 times and did some incredible science along the way.

07From growing plants without soil to testing a concrete made from lunar dust.

08My question is, how do you grow and water plants aboard the space station?

09Yeah, so that is a big question that we've actually been working on answering here on the International Space Station for a while now.

10Their Dragon spacecraft, which they named Freedom, splashed down off the coast of Florida on October 14, 2022.

11And again, that descent rate is as expected here.

12Pretty soon we should be able to see the view of the ocean come into view as Crew Dragon Freedom, with four astronauts on board prepares to splash down after spending 170 days in space.

13Jessica Watkins was the first black woman to be a member of a space station expedition, and the Crew 4 mission was also her first trip to space.

14When we sat down with Jessica, we had a lot of questions.

15But we started by asking if she, like the rest of us, always wanted to be an astronaut when she grew up.

16I first voiced, I think, a desire to be an astronaut when I was around the age of 9 or 10.

17I went to a school that was named after a female astronaut, and I think that was when I first asked my parents, you know, who she was and a little bit about her story.

18And that's when I first realized that you could go to space for a career, that that was an option that could happen.

19That is really what kind of kicked off my interest and passion for exploring the cosmos.

20But growing up, I had lots of different interests.

21I was always interested in reading and writing, as well as math and science.

22I was interested in sports and always kind of being a part of a team.

23So it's neat to be in a role that ultimately is at the intersection of a lot of those interests.

24We certainly have the privilege and honor of standing on the shoulders of Giants.

25And so for me, particularly, women like Sally Ride and Mae Jemison certainly paved the way and kind of enabled a path for myself and some of my colleagues to follow behind.

26And certainly grateful for the opportunity to, insofar as I'm able to, be a similar kind of role model as the ones that I had the privilege of growing up with.

27For young girls and particularly children of color growing up now, I'm certainly aware of and grateful for the opportunity that being a part of this career represents.

28If you want to become an astronaut like Jessica, her best advice is to follow your own curiosity and study things you're interested in.

29NASA needs people with different backgrounds and skill sets to keep the space station running, to do great science, and to explore places like the moon and Mars.

30What I've learned from my story, at least, and certainly from the stories of my colleagues as well, we all come from such different backgrounds.

31We have doctors, pilots, geologists, biologists, engineers, you name it.

32We have people from those backgrounds in our office.

33I think it's a really important message about how there is no one particular pathway to get to this role, one particular way to kind of achieve your dreams, which was something I'm not sure I fully understood when I was younger.

34And so I think the message that I would share or the encouragement that I would provide is really to find something that you're passionate about, whatever it is that gets you up in the morning and gets you excited to pursue that.

35It is in the pursuit of that that you'll be able to achieve your dreams, whatever they are.

36Jessica's path from being a kid looking up at the stars to becoming an astronaut wasn't a straight shot.

37She had a lot of interests growing up.

38In college, Jessica started by studying engineering because she thought that's what future astronauts needed to do.

39Then she decided to follow her curiosity.

40I actually came into my undergraduate with the intent of being a mechanical engineering major.

41I found after a bit of time that that wasn't my passion.

42It wasn't something that I was super interested in, was interested in doing for the rest of my career.

43But it was something that I thought that I kind of needed to do in order to be an astronaut or to keep the door open for becoming an astronaut.

44It was really kind of at that crossroads where there were a couple of really interesting courses with titles like what makes a habitable planet, planetary materials.

45And I looked up and I said, whatever that is, that's what I want to do.

46That was in the geology department.

47And so I signed up for my first geology class and it was love at first class.

48From then on, that passion just grew as I continued in my career.

49To be an astronaut at NASA, you have to be highly skilled in your area of expertise, whether it's geology, medicine or engineering.

50But you also have to be skilled at something else, being a team player.

51Jessica gained some of those collaboration skills in an unlikely field, on a rugby pitch to be exact.

52During her time at Stanford University, Jessica was a star rugby player who even helped her team win a national championship.

53Playing sports in school turned out to be perfect training for living and working with her fellow crew members on the space station.

54One of my favorite things about rugby as a sport is really just how much of a team sport rugby is.

55I really have found that even as compared to some of the other team sports that I've played, there's really a reliance on every individual contributor's skill sets and strengths.

56In order to be successful as a rugby team, it really requires that everybody comes to the table and relies on each other.

57Success is not possible without having people really of all different sizes and strengths and skill sets really working together.

58And I think that type of teamwork is really applicable to human spaceflight.

59Human spaceflight is a team sport as well.

60And we have so many people with different experiences and expertise that they bring to the table that really allows us to do this hard thing, accomplish this goal of human spaceflight as a concept, but even on an individual, everyday basis.

61Operating the International Space Station requires an entire team of people all coming together with one goal in pursuit of that one mission.

62Just like members of a sports team, the Crew Four astronauts all had unique but crucial roles to play, both when flying into space in the Dragon capsule, and then while living and working on the space station for almost six months.

63On the SpaceX Crew Dragon, which is the vehicle that we took up to the International Space Station, within that vehicle, we have more defined roles.

64I was a mission specialist, and Cheryl Ingram was our commander, Bob Hines was our pilot, both NASA astronauts, and Samantha Cristoforetti was another mission specialist.

65She's an ESA astronaut, European Space Agency.

66We each had different roles within the cabin and at different phases of flight.

67Chell and Bob were more focused on the displays and understanding what state the vehicle was in.

68Samantha and I had different responsibilities related to the EECLIS systems, the living and breathing systems of the Dragon, as well as the cargo and packing type of operations inside of the vehicle once we were on orbit as well.

69We definitely each brought something different to the table there.

70When we transfer over to the International Space Station, we are all trained to be flight engineers, is what we call it, and so we all have a similar set of skills to be able to kind of step into any different experiment or activity that we need to be able to do on board.

71What's really amazing is being able to work with a team of people on the ground who all bring different skill sets.

72We think about just the visual of a mission control center in Houston and elsewhere as well, in Hawthorne and our international partners as well.

73In that room, you have so many different expertise, people who are focused on different systems of the ISS and ensuring that our mission is successful every day.

74Once you've studied something you're interested in and you've been selected by NASA for astronaut training, what exactly does it take to get ready to go to space?

75Jessica was chosen for the 2017 Astronaut Candidate Class at NASA.

76That's when her training really began.

77When we get selected as a class, we have about two years of essentially basic training.

78We kind of get checked out in the main fields that we need to complete our role.

79Following that, once we get assigned to a particular mission, we'll do about a year or so of training for that particular mission.

80But during that candidate training, that basic training, there's really kind of five areas that we focus on.

81The systems of the International Space Station, robotics, EVA, so extravehicular activity or spacewalking.

82We learn how to fly the T-38 jet and Russian language training.

83Those are the five areas that we dive a little bit deeper into.

84All of it was really neat for me, particularly not coming from an aviation background or having had experience in a lot of those areas.

85So it was really neat to be able to learn more about areas that I otherwise wouldn't have really had any exposure to.

86Of course, learning to fly was super fun.

87I think for all of us, the newest skill set was learning about spacewalking, learning how to complete an EVA.

88One of the best places to prepare for working in space might surprise you.

89For some key training, you need to go underwater.

90The pressure of a deep dive is our best method of simulating what it might feel like to go on a spacewalk.

91That training occurs in the Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory, which is a large pool outside of Johnson Space Center in Houston.

92And there we're able to put on our spacesuits and go underwater to mimic the microgravity environment of the ISS.

93Before traveling to space on Crew 4, Jessica had the chance to train in even deeper waters, as an aquanaut.

94We had the opportunity to participate in a NEMO mission.

95So NEMO is NASA Extreme Environments Mission Operations.

96What those missions entail is going down to the Aquarius underwater habitat, about 60 feet underwater off the Florida Keys.

97And so we lived down there for about 10 days.

98It really functions as an excellent analog for our missions on ISS.

99Kind of a similar schedule where we are doing a lot of different operational activities throughout the day.

100And we can even embark on EVAs outside of the habitat.

101So we were able to go out the bottom of the habitat, walk along the ocean floor, and do a spacewalk, if you will, in that sense.

102Ultimately, for me, it was a kind of full circle experience that I was unaware of at the time, in that on my mission, NEMO 23, Samantha was our commander.

103That was when I first met her and first got to spend time together with her.

104Pretty awesome to be able to actually build on that and fly to space together.

105So what's next for Jessica?

106Well, as part of NASA's Artemis program, we're going to learn more about the Moon and Mars.

107In the future, the agency will even retrieve rock samples collected by the Perseverance rover so scientists can study them here on Earth.

108It's super exciting to be moving into this time in NASA's history, where we are focused on going back to the Moon, going to the lunar surface again, for longer periods of time and in a new location.

109And then, of course, looking to Mars in the future as well.

110Certainly, as a planetary geologist, it is super exciting to be a part of that effort and to think about how we make those decisions on how we prioritize that science and choose instruments that will help enable that science.

111It is a super exciting time in human spaceflight.

112That is absolutely for sure.

113Really exciting just to be a part of the team, but also the whole office, the whole agency, really, at NASA that is turning to set our eyes on going back to the Moon to stay.

114Having a successful Artemis I mission last November, and excited about Artemis II here coming up shortly.

115So we definitely are all just excited about any way that we can help out and participate in the effort.

116It's a super exciting endeavor.

117With her astronaut training and first flight on the ISS behind her, Jessica's excited for the next chapter of human spaceflight.

118Going to Mars in the future, getting humans to touch the surface and to collect samples, bring them back, as well as the samples that the rovers are collecting now.

119Really getting to just get to the next level of understanding of the fundamental history of Mars and the surface processes, everything that kind of contributes to the geological history of Mars.

120Just excited about having kind of a human imprint on that or a human participation in that understanding.

121One thing is for sure.

122As her journey at NASA continues, Jessica will always make sure she has one thing on hand.

123Her curiosity.

124What drives really all of us here at NASA is, I think, a curiosity that we all have in common.

125As human beings, I think we all have this curiosity.

126And that's just this desire to explore and to answer unknown questions.

127Hopefully not unanswerable questions, but questions that we haven't yet answered.

128And to really just participate in this process of pushing the limit of human capability, understanding, and knowledge.

129And it is just such a privilege to be able to be a part of that every day within NASA.

130Thank you so much for joining us for this special finale episode.

131And a huge thank you to Jessica Watkins for taking us to the stars.

132Thank you.

133We've enjoyed taking you along with us as we've explored our wild and wonderful universe.

134From an Australian launch range to ripples in space-time and more.

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139I have a picture of myself I drew when I was maybe in like first grade as an astronaut on Mars, but now I'm doing podcasts at NASA.

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